Dose of Delusion
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Dose of Delusion
Ryan Murphy's Masterpieces, Star-Studded Feuds, and TV Drama Nostalgia
Listen to this journey of Ryan Murphy's television and film empire as AJ and Jay delve into the intricacies of his legendary creations. From the iconic "Glee" to the chilling "American Horror Story" and the gripping narratives of "American Crime Story," Murphy's vision has left an indelible mark on binge-watchers everywhere. Delving into cinematic ventures like "The Prom," "Eat Pray Love," and "The Boys in the Band," they invite fans to celebrate Murphy's impactful stories and explore hidden gems. In the latest episode, they dissect "Feud" season 2, exploring the captivating saga of Truman Capote and New York's elite, featuring star-studded casts including Naomi Watts, Diane Lane, and Demi Moore. From groundbreaking moments in "Pose" to nostalgic reflections on TV dramas of the past, AJ and Jay offer a heartfelt nod to Murphy's flair for the dramatic and his ability to craft unforgettable narratives that resonate deeply with audiences.
Hello, hello, hello and welcome back to Dose of Delusion. It is me, your host, jay, and I am sitting right in front of the lip smacking, popping, beautiful, quintessential AJ.
Speaker 2:Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1:I am doing fantastic.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, you'll never believe. Tell me everything. So you are you caught up on that new show we're watching?
Speaker 1:I'm all caught up. We're talking about Don't Okay right, I'm all caught up.
Speaker 2:Okay, so can we? Okay? So I'm thinking today, or what we should talk about is just kind of like I really want everyone to know about the show that we're just like currently obsessed with, which we're not going to know yet Definitely.
Speaker 1:this is called building anticipation.
Speaker 2:This is called a teaser in the industry. So are one of the most. I don't even know how to explain what and how to call him, but Mr Ryan Murphy has done it again.
Speaker 1:I was going to say never misses, but I can't say that.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:God, so Almost never misses.
Speaker 2:So did you? Okay, so in preparation of like this and just kind of like talk about it, I kind of like looked up some. You said he did movies and I had no idea he did movies, yes, okay. So I looked up his movies and I haven't seen any of them, really none. I mean, I know about a couple of them, but I haven't seen any. Could you let me know a tidbit about?
Speaker 1:some of his movies.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, and I mean everyone, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, like a little bit of background. Right, you want to give some background on who Ryan Murphy is.
Speaker 2:I mean, the only thing that I knew him from well initially was American Horror Story, and then you were like he did, glee, and I was like he did what I see, and I was a total Glee.
Speaker 1:If there's any Gleeks out there, please hit me up. I would love to talk Glee for days, but yeah, he was a creator producer on Glee, absolutely adored it.
Speaker 1:That's when I first learned who Ryan was. And then Glee had a spin-off called the Glee Project, where there was like a little reality series to find another actor for Glee for the cast, and that's where I started seeing him a lot more, because he was obviously one of the main judges and whatnot on that reality show. That was my first introduction to Ryan Murphy, but you're right, he does do movies and the first movie that he did that I saw came out in 2020 and it's called the Prom. Okay, that's why I say he almost never misses.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it was like COVID era so a lot of people miss the mark. If you will.
Speaker 1:It came out in 2020, so it was recorded prior to COVID.
Speaker 2:But no, he's done other movies.
Speaker 1:Most people are probably familiar with Eat Pray Love.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, see, that's one of the ones that I've heard about.
Speaker 1:He also did Running With Scissors. I've never heard of that. What?
Speaker 2:is that one about Some?
Speaker 1:of these are a little bit, you know, b-listing movies, but here's one that everybody's probably familiar with. It is a remake and it also came out in 2020 and it did very well. Okay, the Boys and the Band.
Speaker 2:Okay, see, I know of the original because that's a part of our history.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So I'm familiar with that and I did hear that it was a very good one. But no, I see, I haven't even seen that.
Speaker 1:You have to watch it. It is done Obviously. It's an A-lister cast. It is done so incredibly well.
Speaker 2:It is what that's one thing that Ryan does do well. He knows how to put these actors together and like all-star casts.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely Right, and he did not miss with the Boys and the Band. Okay, you definitely have to check that out.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:But he's also done so many TV shows and TV series that we're obviously a big fan of.
Speaker 2:Yes, so obviously, there's obviously American Horror Story, which all of the ones that fall under there, which Coven, was my absolute favorite, really. Yes absolutely Okay. So you know, I love a little witchy moment and there was quite the witch-bitch moment in there and he also did something called American Crime Story.
Speaker 1:I liked that one as well, which?
Speaker 2:one was what was the basis of that?
Speaker 1:I think, oh God, I don't want. I don't want to be reality checked. But I think the first American Crime Story was the OJ.
Speaker 2:I think that was his first one.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, he's done other since, but it was the OJ Simpson one Okay. If I remember correctly, I think Cuba Gooda Jr. Yes, was OJ. Yes, david Schwimmer was Robert Kardashian.
Speaker 2:David Schwimmer From Friends. Oh yes, he was Robert Kardashian. He was Robert Kardashian.
Speaker 1:That's right. Yes, it was Apparently not just the looks alone, but the persona was very much. Yeah, Okay, that was a quote from Chloe. Know, that's not true from who's the oldest one, courtney. Courtney was like it'll take him back by the performance because of how Much it resembled that of her father. Really, yes, but he's also done we all remember so Dumber. Yes, that was fantastic. I feel so guilty for thinking Things about that did you know there was something called Hollywood?
Speaker 2:I did not know that okay, just so.
Speaker 1:I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2:I just I just Stumbled across it and was like, oh, let me make a note of that because I do want to possibly watch that. I know you for sure know one that you like to line with the surgery Nip tuck okay, wait, no, is that? Not nip tuck, it says I watched.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, I didn't know that. I thought he did nip tuck.
Speaker 2:I Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have to watch the reality show, okay boss reality show and now we're gonna be reality check. But I'm sure he was a creative nip tuck. Okay, I'm not gonna be getting okay, let me ask you this yeah, do you remember another recent one that came out last year or two years ago now? The watcher no, really, that was massively popular, believe on Netflix.
Speaker 2:I didn't write that one down.
Speaker 1:It has what is her name, you make him give a hot dog.
Speaker 2:Real bad okay, she's in it, she's a real turd, he's want to kill me, the guy.
Speaker 1:Um, ryan Murphy didn't do the white lotus, is it? He know I don't think so I would have seen that, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised though. I know I did everything. All right. Then he did this one that I Adored. I hope we're talking about someone not the one that we're currently watching. No, the politician. No, oh you don't watch.
Speaker 2:Oh, I did. That was one about rain.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, this is not one of those. That was an American crime story okay, oh, okay the politician was about a boy who is in high school like junior senior year running for like class office class president and then goes on and all he cares about is that. It's very like a remake of like Tracy flick.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, right.
Speaker 1:So I do remember something about where Ben Platt may have been the lead, but Gwyneth Paltrow, was it definitely the star? Okay, she plays his mother. She has very small roles in it, but when she came out she stole the show.
Speaker 2:and I mean Ryan Murphy, he's just been so Working ridiculous so what I thought you were gonna say is Halston, I've actually never. Oh my god, it's me tell me. Well, you know, it's about the designer, okay, and he's just, I mean, it was just fabulous in his life and it was just so good he was best friends with, oh Lord, the the one that's like oh my god, I can't, I'm going to clip.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, so much.
Speaker 2:Don't I'm so terrible, liza Manelli, they were besties, so that's our joke. Anyways, that's terrible. And then to go on to the current show, but it's a second season that we're currently watching but, I became obsessed with the first season. It's a very American Horror Story ask, where the seasons doomed don't follow one another. So it's called.
Speaker 1:the actors do Not all of them.
Speaker 2:He recycles some of. That's not the word yeah, recycles the actors.
Speaker 2:He loves the some of these same actors and they. So the one I'm talking about is actually season one. It's called bet a Betty and Joan, so it is Jessica Lang as Joan Crawford, susan Sarandon as Betty Davis, and it's spelled bet because it's French, but she would pronounce herself herself Betty, so and it of course centers like the whole fiasco of their relationship with each other and it's just old Hollywood glamour and Joan Crawford is just like iconic and the movie that they ended up doing together. Did you ever see it? What happened to baby Jane? No, I did not. Whatever happened to baby Jane actually is my notes here and I the only reason why I know about it is because it had come out as a skit on RuPaul's Drag Race, where Alaska Thunderfuck and I forgot someone. I forgot who the other one was. They did the little. Whatever happened to baby Jane? Little skit, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:This is not where me West comes into play, is it no?
Speaker 2:no, no, no, no, completely different. No, no, no, no, it was. It was just like you know how they do like their she. She does like little root root sickles and whatever, and they're kind of tied into like whatever. So any who? That's the only reason how I knew about whatever happened to baby Jane. Well, his current season and if you haven't seen it, please go find it, it's on Hulu. It is divine the fashions, the drama, the everything that are just going to go on with just going, or Susan, susan Sarandon love her.
Speaker 1:She also did the political drama called political animals and I want to go back and see who produced that. But yeah, absolutely love those.
Speaker 2:So Ryan's just amazing. I mean, he just like, and if we could just like go back on like. So what was your favorite American Horror Story or did you have a favorite season?
Speaker 1:I did. I do want to say I was probably the first one murder house. Ok, I loved it, I did like that one all the way through. I think the one came after Coven. What was the circus one?
Speaker 2:Circus. Okay, yeah, circus.
Speaker 1:I watched half a circus and I kind of just fell off. Life got busy, but I think Murderhouse is probably my favorite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so one, two and three, three shot to the lead and then it was three, one, two and then circus. I mean, jessica Lang did, you know, the best that she could with what she was given and it was great, but it just it didn't. It didn't like hit for me.
Speaker 1:Actually, I want to correct myself. Okay, asylum was my favorite.
Speaker 2:Okay, so second season, yes, second season, yeah. So that was probably my favorite actually that one was great Crazy.
Speaker 1:What's the other actress's name? I cannot remember her name.
Speaker 2:Myrtle Snow.
Speaker 1:Is that her, her, her actual name Is that the one that?
Speaker 2:no, no, that's her Coven name.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know, but yes, definitely the red head yes, she plays like the death, doesn't she? Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, so, so, yeah, so I obviously Coven came out with season three and it was just like, like I said, like witchy and everything, and just like the drama, the supreme, and and just Jessica Lang just always did it so well. And then she stopped being in the seasons and I was like I'm not interested, I just cried for the life of me because it was hotel. I believe Okay Was the first one without her and it was like let's get another big gay icon. So of course they have Lady Gaga and I liked it, but I never finished it.
Speaker 2:I do want to go back, I want to give it a second shot, but I just I couldn't. And then I don't remember what else. I think it was like Roanoke came and it was about like the settlers when they first like came and landed and it was like I don't know, I think. I think I think Lady Gaga played like a goblin or something, if I recall I can't remember so and then they came back with like to bring like a Coven part two with American Horror Story Apocalypse, okay, and they brought back the witches.
Speaker 1:I did start that one, I remember.
Speaker 2:And it just, it was everything for me. Again the witches were back and Myrtle Snow was doing her thing with her red hair and she's like I'm a witch and it's like, yeah, bitch, and it was just so good, and then I fell off again and just never. I never went back. I think the most recent one was something about being botched or something.
Speaker 1:I want to let you know that her name is Sarah Paulson.
Speaker 2:Oh, that isn't the redhead.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, sarah Paul says what I was talking about. I don't know who you're talking about. Emma Roberts, no, I'm talking about the old lady. I have no idea who you're talking about.
Speaker 2:She's the old. She's the one that in Murder House she played like the sexy maid that was sleeping with the husband, and then she was an old lady. Hmm, I guess her memories are slightly different, right now Okay. If you look up Coven, she's the only witch with the red hair and she had big red hair and she was like. She was like a part of like I don't know, like one of the main Coven people like us, but her character's name was Myrtle fucking Snow. Okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 1:I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 2:So, kathy Bates, you're get away from me, right now Francis Conorite.
Speaker 1:That one, there you go. That one that was like a naming actress, yes, I'm like no, Kathy. Bates, You're like this pot is done. Stop with the lady I know.
Speaker 2:I've moved to DC already, so so that actress and she, I'm on me, but so so it was another little witchy moment and so they had me back for a American horror story and apocalypse, and so those are actually the only two that I will rewatch. For American horror story I'll just watch those two over and over and like in unison. So it's like a continuation for me for that, but so back to few.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, yes, back to few. So I didn't watch season one yet, because somebody barely introduced me to it very recently, and they're keeping this information.
Speaker 2:It's on my phone that you're a bad gay and you don't know a part of our history.
Speaker 2:Some would argue differently Anyway so season two of feud is called Capote versus the swans and this involves, or it's, the story of Truman Capote, who is an American author who wrote in cold blood and was his like famous novel and various other things, and he was just this eccentric gay man in the 50s and 60s that befriended the high society of New York and parlayed with them and then ended up betraying them and spilling all their secrets that he learned. And those actresses that are in it are Naomi Watts she plays Babe Paley, who is an American socialite, obviously a magazine editor and married to like the wealthiest, most powerful man at the time and Diane Lane as Slim Keith Love.
Speaker 1:Diane Lane Always.
Speaker 2:Listen, with those two names alone, it's, it's, it's going to be iconic. And Diane Lane is just obviously another socialite in New York society. Chloe Seven Yee as Seasy Guest. Who again is this model socialite married into money? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Horse rider Kalista Flockhart.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, exactly, I know I was. She looks amazing on screen.
Speaker 2:She looks, so the character she's portraying is Lee Radsey. Well, do you know who that is? And my OK. So the reason why I know that name is because back to New York, housewives, ok, there was a Princess Caroline who was Caroline Radsey, well, whose husband that had passed away was cousins with JFK Junior. So Lee Radsey, well, is actually Jackie O sister, ok. Ok, so she was a socialite, she came from money. Da da, da, da, da da da. And then Molly Ringwald comes out.
Speaker 2:She plays Joe and Carson, who is Johnny Carson's wife, so she's from LA. She's not right. Quite one of the New York socialite crew for Truman and also Demi Moore.
Speaker 1:I, she looks amazing, go ahead. She has never looked better. She looks great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my God, like she just what is the word that that was used to describe my favorite Salt Lake City housewife a trampoline with eyes. Oh, Mary Cosby, that's called Meredith, a trampoline with eyes. And it was a no, no, no, actually, it wasn't her who said it, it was the skinny Greek one. And you can't and you can't call her trampoline with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she had such good plastic surgery. I want to be a trampoline with eyes Fuck off and you can't. But Demi Moore looks amazing and she plays. And Woodward, who is kind of at the middle of this socialite circle because Truman Capote decides to write a story and start about her and the death of her husband and is basically kind of accusing her of being a murderer, right, so that's kind of putting, you know, a wedge in the socialite circle, blah, blah, blah. Well, it's amazing, from the fashion to just like the old time, like 50s, 60s, glamor of it all and everything. If, if you guys have not seen or heard about it, you must. What are your thoughts? So far? We're on episode four, so we're completely caught up.
Speaker 1:Okay, so first of all, I what it was one of those shows that it is. It's ugly and glamor has a bit of a slow start, but even within the first two minutes you're into the drama of it and I'm glued to the screen it reminded me of I don't want to get too far off topic, but it was like another show. Somebody watched you to watch a being Mary Jane. All right, cool, I'll watch it, and before and you know how the shows have their opening scene and then it'll go to the opening credits. Yes, in that opening scene of Mary Jane I was like Fucking glue to the screen and then opening grounds like this, how it started. In the first 30 seconds I'm in and that is exact. I've never felt that way about a show again until Capote versus the swans have. I'm trying to go ahead.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I was just like a map. You remember when that, when it started, and I was like, are they?
Speaker 2:all yeah, yeah, exactly no, and I was like girl Buckle up because I mean that's Ryan Murphy and that's what he does. You know what I mean? He brings the drama. Um, that reminded me when you were describing that beginning scene thing. The best Opening scene before the credit was the pilot episode of pose. Oh no, I knew.
Speaker 1:I had been told so many times to watch it.
Speaker 2:Fuck off this. This is over. We're ending it right now. I'm done.
Speaker 1:AJ, come back.
Speaker 2:Fine, I'm sitting back down. I.
Speaker 1:I Okay, I have homework Okay.
Speaker 2:So okay, so in pose, and then we're gonna go back. But just the beginning, before the beginning credits, this is what we're and it's my treat, like 10, 12 minutes long. So if you know the like, the, the basis of pose, right, okay, so it starts with the I forgot their names and whatever but they, they break in or they go into a museum, the it's closing time, so they hide out, then that's closes and then they the the ball theme was royalty. So they go to the museum and steal like all of the original Elizabethan, like Outfits and dresses and crowns and jewels and whatever, and then Take a chair like she's, like we need to go, and like they break through the glass door and Run with trash bags with everything's full, and then like they're like oh, and pose.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden it flashes to you like the pose and and the ball and and they're like Da-da-da. And then all of a sudden they're like and who's next? And da-da-da, oh, house of Electra, whatever. And then they come out in these royal, like the other ones were like handmade garbage, and then this house Shows up in this actual royalty ball like gown stuff and just do their posing, walks and stuff and they walk as a family and then all of a sudden it's like Pew and the police show up and then they get handcuffed and walk off stage in these jewels and gowns and then it's like Commercial, and then it's like the beginning of pose, the most glamorous perp walk of the eight?
Speaker 1:what? She's just like Okay, you have, that was the best opening scene I've ever Ever seen.
Speaker 2:I was like it had me, I was all in, I Was, I was there, I was like I was in the ballroom. I was there, it was everything.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm in that you tell that story so compelling did Ryan Murphy do that?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't think he did, I don't.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't mention some of the male leads in this.
Speaker 2:I didn't please go ahead.
Speaker 1:So I was super excited to see Russell Tovey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is so gorgeous.
Speaker 1:He's aging so well. He's, and they actually made him look so much older I imagined they did, because the last thing that I saw man I believe it was some law enforcement crime-fighting show. I believe he's still looked very, very young and that wasn't that long ago, yeah, so and then we look older here, but he's gorgeous.
Speaker 2:He, what was his character?
Speaker 1:Some special agents of some sort.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:This, so he is.
Speaker 2:John O'Shea.
Speaker 1:I'm not exactly sure what his role is but he is like a no, but like in the show he's some sort of like muse inspiration. Oh no, he was gonna hire him as his manager.
Speaker 2:No, we're not no.
Speaker 1:Truman Capote was gonna hire John O'Shea, or did hire John O'Shea as his manager, and I will. I'll tell you this much it's a very toxic relationship. But John O'Shea is played by excuse me, played by Russell Tovey is English. Well, he's not American. I don't want to be corrected again, but he's not American and Other shows he has his natural accent.
Speaker 2:Oh right. And then and this he's, he's American, like he's American in this. Obviously he doesn't have his accent, he's. He's so good, he's such a good actor being able to like turn it on and off. And then I got super excited when I was looking at the list of names because I saw Tom Holland and I was like Tom. Holland's on this. Who's he gonna be?
Speaker 1:and you're like no.
Speaker 2:And I'm like well, that's Truman Capote. Yes, I.
Speaker 1:Want to go back actually, so I'm. I don't know if he's super popular, sometimes I'm out of the loop. I've never heard of him before, yeah, so I want to go and see his other works because I want to see his, how wide of a range he has for being an actor, because he's very in In character here and it's very unique, very niche, very high pitch. You know elongated words. You know, rory, facial expressions and hands and manumers talking about the Truman Capote.
Speaker 2:Solid to know what I want to try and do. His voice and I need to practice it. That was terrible. Actually, I've done it. Look, it was terrible. I can't do it I love your confidence.
Speaker 2:I Fuck off, first of all. So, but, but there have been many movies about Truman Capote, one of them, obviously Capote back in 2005, philip Seymour Hoffman Rest in Peace actually played him, and I think that there's another Capote movie I Think it's called infamous, and that came out in 2006 and I'm not too sure who who played him or if he even had that big of a part it might have been. That might have been basically about the book that he wrote. Okay, I didn't do too much research and I don't want to be clicking away, but it's, he's a very iconic, you know. I mean he's like when if anyone says Capote, they already picture this like over the top gay man, just very like. Like his look and mannerisms are very iconic and like if you were to say Andy Warhol, you already know the black glasses and the big white, you know hair or whatever, like that's like Capote is the same, like he's just very like. I can't.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, let me give an example so you know who I think would have also played a great Truman, based on how the role is in this current series, is Leslie Jordan, if you're still around.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love him. Do you agree, though, I?
Speaker 1:think Leslie Jordan. Based on the way this character is portraying Capote this actor is portraying Capote I believe that Leslie Jordan would have been maybe even a better cast for Truman Capote in this role.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm actually thinking right now. I feel that Leslie Jordan probably got the Capote as mannerisms for Will and his, his character in Will and Grace.
Speaker 1:Okay, did you know?
Speaker 2:Beverly Johnson or Beverly Beverly Johnson, right, beverly Leslie, beverly Leslie. I think that that I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I just thought of that You're saying, because that's very ask, very similar. Yeah, maybe that was his muse his muse.
Speaker 2:but with the Southern I can't even do it.
Speaker 1:You don't say it.
Speaker 2:I love your calm. Touche, touche, touche, touche, touche, touche. Who am I? I don't know, oh my God, salt Lake, with that stupid imbecile who couldn't pronounce Touche, and I'm glad she's gone and never coming back. I disagree, touche, she's so stupid. You don't think she's on purpose? On purpose, she's an idiot. Well, I'm so angry, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Also in the cast of Feud is a Treat Williams and I don't know if that's how you pronounce his names. When he played a Bill Paley plays Bill Paley. I didn't know, he passed away. Oh did he, you didn't notice that at the end of this fourth episode.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was his name. I was wondering who Treat was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Treat Williams passed away last year, june 12, 1951 to 2023, at 71 years old.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know if I mean I don't know they filmed this that long ago. I know they filmed in advance, but I don't know. You know already done and everything. But yeah, so Treat Williams is along with us, but he has a great role in it as well, and he's done a lot of things, yeah.
Speaker 2:He played the powerhouse behind Babe Paley, who I think he was the like CEO executive of like, a major news station or major thinking with a CBS network. I think so because he was like damn, maybe yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 1:yeah, that would make sense and I saw in the beginning episode under doing trying to do their line.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh, in 60 minutes. So whichever he keeps on mentioning 60 minutes, and mash. So whichever network had, that, but he shows.
Speaker 1:I did not watch. Right Same their ratings were so low. Yeah, no, this, this cast in feud is phenomenal. So good. The makeup is phenomenal. I cannot go ahead.
Speaker 2:The way they keep on going back because, okay, so guys, it's. It's one of those where they go back and forth in time and the way they make Naomi, all of these ladies go from like young to old, young to old, young to old, like I'm, just like they did. The makeup is so well, they do it. So the fashion, the fashion, the hair. I want to know if these clothes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to know if these clothes that they have are they. Are they created like for the series or are they getting them from like vintage closets?
Speaker 2:both. Both it's Hollywood, it's it's like I mean the warehouses that they have access to To get like these, like they keep All of these things in these big major warehouses and wardrobe departments that they they do bring out or they restore or they like. Okay, they get ideas from, like in. I'm so sorry, I know you hate any you probably haven't started watching it but that period piece that I keep on talking about, the gilded age, they were inspired by major art pieces that were done for the social aides and stuff and recreated them for the show, since they were, you know, from.
Speaker 2:Yeah they'd be like hundreds of years old by this point. So so they they get the. I'm sure it's a mix of them, but it's much more recent.
Speaker 1:I'm laughing because it's room. I want to say this I used to watch that TV show with keeper Sutherland, called 24. Okay, did you ever watch it? No, what's on? Okay, so the it's an action show, law enforcement, but that's set up. The it's called 24 and there's 24 C's 24 episodes per season and every episode is one hour in time. So you're watching kind of in real time, right, oh, okay, and it's crime fighting. So every single episode like a crime happens and he's gonna go save the day, and it takes entire 24 hours to like solve the case and save humanity, right, and so you're getting that 24 hour spread over one entire season.
Speaker 1:So, again, every episode Is every episode is one hour, so you're watching it in real time. Does that make sense? Yeah, so, actors hated it because for the entire season. They were the same outfit.
Speaker 2:I'd be like no, I don't want to wear that.
Speaker 1:Higher months in months of filming. It is the exact same outfit.
Speaker 2:Why, I'm sure, multiple? Because some of them got like dirty.
Speaker 1:Obviously, but there was no then it have to be dirty the whole time, depending on what happened, of course. Yeah, especially for, like Keith, or he's out there fighting crime and he gets a blood stain, he's got to have that blood stain the whole. No, yeah, so they were the same. Yeah, that was kind of cute as compared to this. But you said something about that hair in huge. Yeah, how many bottles of hair.
Speaker 2:But you think we're used the amount of hairspray limit does not exist does not exist.
Speaker 2:There is a secrets Person that does come out that I'm I'm gonna leave as a surprise and we're not gonna, okay, say that Plays a very important role to Truman Capote and and when I heard the voice and then I saw the person I was, I was surprised to see how this person kind of looks now and but the hairspray, the fashion, the Over the top that this person is known for, was it was so not, it was a very nice surprise when I thought I had seen the name, but I was like why wonder who that person's gonna play?
Speaker 1:and then, low and behold, you know it's funny, so you thought you saw the name because I'm pretty sure in the opening credits that name was not displayed and I think it was for the surprise effects.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I Mixed some of the names and thought I did, but I'm pretty sure I saw it on the beginning Opening credit. Maybe, maybe, maybe not, maybe I'm just like, but again yeah, ryan Murphy doesn't miss.
Speaker 1:I don't want to go back and just notate, so we don't get a dose of reality from there. Thank you is nip-tuck Okay okay, I love and I should. I should have known what I mean roads.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I wrote botched or something.
Speaker 1:It was the same thing, just one's reality and one's not. I Love the nip-tuck. Growing up I remember watching it in college. Back I would borrow the DVD sets From my friends and binge watch them.
Speaker 2:I liked that actor. He was hot.
Speaker 1:Both of them were you talking about.
Speaker 2:Oh. The one who also talking to one from my arm. Oh, I'm and I'm was in Buffy. No, maybe he was in charge. He was in terms for sure about the czar.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we're talking about why. Julia McMahon.
Speaker 2:I don't think I know who that is. It's.
Speaker 1:Julia McMahon is his name. Super handsome, I believe. He's Australian actually, oh.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm not straightly nuts, he does.
Speaker 1:Christian Troy, dr Christian Troy, in In a nip-tuck, but he's Julie McMahon. I loved him then, and then he played Phoebe Hallowell, who is played by.
Speaker 2:Kerm.
Speaker 1:Okay, phoebe, the Phoebe Hallowell or the actress.
Speaker 2:Alyssa Milano fuck Alyssa Milano. Yeah, fuck her. Tell me why. So the whole reason. Shannon Doreen oh, yes, yes, the yeah if you need to.
Speaker 1:Shannon Alyssa, I knew all about.
Speaker 2:I remember I saw my book of shadows. I know right here to do a feud, shannon versus Alyssa.
Speaker 1:Yes and but poor Piper or Holly Marie was caught in the middle. Okay, so that was she chose so that episode yes and no no, well, no, at the very end, did you see?
Speaker 2:oh my god, so there was a reason. Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm getting excited cuz I could go on and on okay, a whole episode on charm.
Speaker 2:But I don't know what that well, but I'm gonna like okay but but who beat a reason?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So, okay, so inch hard it was. I forget what season I might have been for when it was the final season, where it's not a spoiler, but where Shannon's character dies. Okay, in that episode, at the scene that they're recording where Shannon's character dies, what is her character's name prove? You can tell that Holly and Shannon were crying like the actresses, because there's no crying scene in during the filming like this, right, but you can tell as it's being. You know when you're watching it that their eyes are puffy. So, and I think obviously they're crying because they knew that was gonna be Shannon's final scene. But yes, it was the feud between Shannon already and Alyssa Milano, and then the network and the producers were gonna go forward with Alyssa and not Shannon's demands and, of course, if Holly wanted to keep her job, she but she was going to stick with the show. Yeah, she's in fall and it was.
Speaker 1:Shannon, who brought Holly onto the show, pulled her from white picket fences, oh yes, and pulls her onto the show.
Speaker 2:So recently there was a comic-con of some sort, yes, where Alyssa came out and was like you know, I don't know why they're still saying this and that or the other. You know how I recall it. You know they should just like get over. This was years ago, who knows what it was not like that's not how it was. And denied, denied, denied because she's still denying. So like, immediately after there's another panel, I think pretty much of the same comic-con with Shannon Dordie and the mid, the one in the middle, holly Marie, holly Marie. They have one, I think even the oh, kaley Kowuco, huh, kaley Kowuco.
Speaker 1:So when Shannon left right, that left Holly and Alyssa, as they found another half sister I believe, yeah, a little blonde girl. No. I'm played by her name is Billy and she's played by Kaley Kowuco.
Speaker 2:No, I'm top. What are you talking about? I'm talking about immediately after Rose McGowan. I.
Speaker 1:I forgot all about her because I can't stand there. I'm so sorry. Yes, you're 100% right. I completely forgot her character. Forgot her character existed. I hated her on the show. I hate her in real life.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can't say anything. She does if you are Rose.
Speaker 1:McGowan, please come for me, doc, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Go on, I'm down, are you down? I'm done, thank you so. So then they had their own panel and they were like, actually, this is how it was and this is what transpired, and I think there was even some male Actor friend that was like I told you. Oh, I think it was the, the one that played her brother in Beverly Hills. I know to know. Okay, um, presley priestly.
Speaker 2:Jason priestly even came out and in his book and said, talked about it and said, shannon, do not go, don't give the producers an ultimatum, yeah, don't do it. And she did because she thought she had the star power and it didn't quite go like she wanted it and I also think that was based on her character.
Speaker 1:Her character was a little prudy little bitch, and so the fans been her Parole, her casting, that's so.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's always been rumors about Shannon Dordian, just like whatever, but I don't know, I can't speak too much about that we are getting far off track.
Speaker 1:I'm charmed because Julie McMahon Julie McMahon was Phoebe I want to say buffet but has been friends but Phoebe Hallowell's, phoebe Hallowell's love interest. He played an ADA in San Francisco but yeah. So he was one of the stars on nip tuck. Loved him so handsome, so attractive. Once again, good job, ryan Murphy.
Speaker 2:He, he knows what the people want. He knows that the girls want, you know. He knows that the gays one. He knows what the drama, the fashion, the makeup, the, the, the attractive people. He knows how to do it and he does it well. But that is my most Recent and I'm so. You need. You have so much to catch up on. You need to catch up on the season one of feud. You need to watch at least the first season of pose.
Speaker 1:How many seasons of there are.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I stopped, so it's bingeable then oh yeah, okay, then I'm in.
Speaker 2:I mean, I they're ready, like I think, in most recent, like they're ready in the 90s.
Speaker 1:Oh good, because, like right now, I started watching the the bear. I got into it the one with Jeremy Allen white.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah sure something.
Speaker 1:Don't correct me, please. I got into that. I got into it right when they released season two. I've binged one and two was obsessed, and now I have to wait forever for three. So as long as there's a few seasons for me to binge, I am.
Speaker 2:I think you're gonna be pretty busy that you shouldn't be able to be being things absolutely right about that. I think it's not good for you. So you just need to pick a show and then you know. Being able to wait for something and having some patience should teach you something.
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 2:patients exactly. So on that note.
Speaker 1:Ryan Murphy Thank you right Murphy.
Speaker 2:Thank you For giving me. Look at his photo. He's hideous. I Mean he's so sweetie, so nice, he's so good and talented. I was not gonna say that I think.
Speaker 1:You know he's a little bit older right now, but I think he's kind of handsome actually I haven't seen a picture. I'm just okay. No, he's, he's kind of handsome. I would who wouldn't you? That's also a point, seriously. But yeah, you're right, so go ahead.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, so everyone listening, go find feud. It's on Hulu. You need to watch season one with Joan and Betty To see that, and then you need to watch Capote versus the swans. Um, thank you for listening and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, guys, but I know.
