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#37: Barbers, Bravo, and Bad Decisions
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In this Dose of Delusion episode, Jay and AJ unpack the consequences of AJ cheating on his hot barber and ending up with a crooked South Side lineup right before major events, while Jay is drowning in government taskers and bingeing every “Selling…” show like it’s his second job. Sean vs Austin on Selling OC triggers a very real rant about messy straight men who flirt, blur lines, then act like victims when their curiosity catches up with them, and AJ explains his “no blurred lines, just are we hooking up or not” policy. From there, they spiral into BravoCon gossip, Kim K’s questionable acting on All’s Fair, Jessica Simpson’s “is that just makeup?” moment, and close out with Thanksgiving plans, tux vs suit for Jay’s gala and French Embassy night, and AJ demanding full access to Jay’s calendar like a controlling but lovable cohost
Welcome And Catching Up
SPEAKER_00Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to Dose of Delusion. It is me, your host, yours truly Jay. And I am finally blur blessed with the presence of the one, the only, you know him, you love him. Host of the San Antonio Hit Podcast. I am friends with the DJ, AJ the Silver Fox. AJ, how are you? Tell us everything.
SPEAKER_02Hi.
SPEAKER_00Hi, honey.
SPEAKER_02How are you?
SPEAKER_00Girl, I am so crazy, but I am so happy to be here.
AJ’s Nonstop Networking Life
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I definitely hear that. Sipping on some wine, I see. Yeah. Um, and I um um you're getting paid again, so so glad to hear that. I know, snaps to that. So excited for you. Um, what you asked me, what has been going on with me? I we missed a couple of weeks. Um, I'm an episode behind on um our favorite Salt Lake show. Um I have been super fucking busy um with what not only work but um my other podcast. I'm Friends with the DJ, of course, um, because that not only is the podcast itself, but there's a whole lot of fucking networking that I need to be doing. And I didn't have I did not sign up for this. I didn't think it would be like this. I'm exhausted. Um, but like a good exhausted because it's different and I don't mind doing it, it's all fun. Um, but a part of the networking is like like club, bus, other club, other venue, other show, other DJ, and it's just non-fucking stop. Um, but but yeah, it's it's it's been crazy. It's been a wild ride. Um, you know, I'm I'm you know, I'm also a promoter, apparently. So I'm promoting two events that are going on this week and one of the promoter AJ Podcaster, promoter, professional, gay on the wheel. Like, it's just like non-stop fabulous. Like, I just I just don't even know what to say anymore. Um other than I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm a little tired. Oh my god. I got a terrible okay. So I was coming everything. Yeah, I was trying to get a hair. No, I was trying to let my hair grow. And um, the which is why I've been wearing a lot of caps lately because it's not, it's been, it's getting poofy on the sides and whatever. Well, um, my my barber, he's super hot, he was busy, right? And it's time for the holidays. So I wouldn't have been able to get to him till like right before Thanksgiving or immediately after. And I have two major events this weekend. I have um the Bear House November takeover of Heat Night Club, um, where they're gonna have um DJ Mohammed and uh my friend DJ Rudy. Um, and then Sunday I have Sundown Socials, huge event. It's their epic party jumping, where they're gonna be doing um H Town and San Antonio at the same time. Um DJ's going. Yeah, so I have these two major events, right? So I was like, well, I'm not gonna be all like bushy. So I I try and get to my barber, he's booked. So I see um on Facebook this gay guy that um was like, Oh, I have some openings, and I was like, Oh, well, he's gay. I'm sure he knows how to cut hair. Big mistake.
SPEAKER_00Hey J. That's what you get for cheating on your barber.
SPEAKER_02No, I know, I know. Trust me, no karma. Like he like put some kind of energy out there that if any of his like clients go elsewhere, they get gooked. So I got like I got a haircut and I didn't notice it till I got home later. He did some kind of like weird buzz thing right here, like edging me up. Like I'm from the south side. I didn't want to say that buzz. Oh, never mind. Anyways, so so he like edged me up right, and I'm like, but when I was described, I was like, I'm getting poofy on the sides, take it all in. I like the length on the top, I'm very professional, office jobs. I need to look profash whenever I go in, right? So he's like, No, I got you, I got you, I got you. And I'm like, okay, great. And then so he's like doing this like massage thing and whatever, and like, so I'm just like relaxing, getting haircut while he's doing his things. Big mistake, I shouldn't have closed my eyes. The back of my neck is fucking crooked.
SPEAKER_00It's like this. I shouldn't be laughing. I shouldn't be laughing.
The Barber Disaster Before Big Events
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, you well, you don't have hair, so you don't get it, right? So then how dare you? Well, I mean, you want to come for me? I'm ready. And then, um, so but then yeah, he like did this like weird edge up thing, and it's like like one's off, the other one's like like not as and and so like I see the glistening when I'm looking in the mirror, I'm like, what's that? And it's like my silver hair is glistening in the light, but like super, super short and like buzzed. And I was like, why does it fucking look like that? So I sent him a message and I was like, You destroyed my hair, I have major events, how dare you? Um, I won't ask for a refund, but send me my tip back because this is ridiculous. It's my fault. I this is a lesson learned. I'm never going, like, I'm just gonna have to suck it and have like bushy hair and wait for my barber. Like, I'm never leaving him again. And he was like, I'm so sorry, please come back. I'll fix it. I was like, why fix it so that way you could just like be like oops, oops, oops, and then I end up bald? No, I'm not ready for that. I don't fucking think so. So so that's been me. And that was yesterday. So I've been like that's why I'm like on fire right now, all about it, because like my coworkers were like, no, it looks fine. And I was like, this, and they were like, Oh, I see. And I'm like, I'm gonna have to wear a cap all weekend.
SPEAKER_00Wow, coming in hot, fresh off with that. You know, that does remind me of something. Once upon a time back when I had hair, not near as traumatic as what you just went through, but once upon a time when I had hair, I was also kind of growing it out, believe it or not. I don't, don't, please don't, don't even picture it, but whatever. And so I was growing my hair out, and I went to get it. Stop laughing. Stop picturing it.
SPEAKER_02I'm trying, I'm like, where would you? I'm trying to picture, I don't get it, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Okay, good. I used to have long, luscious locks one time. Anyways, so I was growing it out and I went to the barber and she cut it like really short, and then she's just like, Oh, oops, I'm sorry. And I was like, What'd you do? She's like, Don't worry, hair goes back. And I said, Well, can I cut your hair off? And I was so pissed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and so and that was my thing too. Like when he was like, Well, I could even it out, and and I was like, I think this is something where I have to let my hair to grow to fix it because you're and then I don't trust you with the back of my neck. Like, I can't see back there. So but so what's been going on with you?
SPEAKER_00So, since you know the government decided to open up again, we have been just bummed rushed with taskers and things and whatnot. So I've been absolutely chaotically busy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love what I do. So, as much as tired and exhausted as I am, I still love it. I'm not complaining, but I am complaining. Uh, I've been working late into the evenings. I have clients to span, you know, I don't know how many different time zones, but go wherever Guam is all the way to you know the East Coast. So all those times don't have clients. So there's times where I've been accepting, you know, teams meeting or virtual meetings at seven, eight, nine, ten o'clock at night to try to get everybody synced as these uh taskers are coming in. It's been it's been absolutely chaotic, but like I said, it's a lot of fun. However, all that started about a week ago, or about a week and a half ago when the government opened up. But before then, I wasn't doing shit other than helping you with that friends of the DJ. Right. I came across a new, well, well, new to me, I should say, uh, Netflix series. The have you like, I'm sure you've heard of like the Selling Sunset, yeah. The realtor show. Yeah. So I started binge watching Selling Sunset. I binge watched the first couple of seasons to get brought into the characters, and then I jumped to the last couple of seasons to the most recent ones. I watched four full seasons, mind you, they're only eight eight episodes long each, so it's not like crazy. Oh, that's binge watched about four full seasons, then I switched over to selling OC, started out from the beginning. There were only three seasons. Well, now I've watched all four because the fourth one just dropped, and then now I started watching Selling the City, which is the New York version of Selling. Then I've also dropped into starting watching Owning Manhattan, which is, I don't think this is a Netflix uh original, but it's the same concept, a whole different production company, so on and so forth. But I've been I've been absolutely obsessed with these shows, and I want to dive into it in a little bit. Uh, we could probably go into it right now about something that like really, really resonated with me. And I have some serious, strong opinions of of one of the drama situations on selling OC. Have you watched it at all?
SPEAKER_02Okay, so no. No, no, no. But I did see some of the episodes of Sunset because my sister's like obsessed with it, and like when I would go down for holidays, like she would like, you have to watch this, and how I can't believe you haven't seen the drama and like the houses and the outfits, and you're you're in property management, and I'm like, okay, that's different. But no, I I could see where it would be very enticing. It kind of reminds me of that Bravo show. There was like the the one in LA, then there was the one in New York. Millionaire uh million-dollar listing, I think it was right.
SPEAKER_00Well, yes, I remember that. I don't exactly I don't remember exactly where that one's at, but yeah, I remember that. Uh it was a Bravo, yeah situation. No, I kind of really wish this the selling sunset franchise or the selling franchise, I should say, was Bravo because like BravoCon just happened this last weekend, and I was also glued to watching all of those live streams on Peacock with all of the panels and all the housewives and the blow deck cast and everything. And I just as someone who just finished binge watching pretty much all of the selling franchises, I kind of wish they were there too, but it's not a Bravo situation, right? So, what was the the situation that you Oh my God, I know we're jumping into it, but this is absolutely absurd. I was so pissed off. All right, so there's a character, first of all, on Selling Sunset, it's pretty much all females, and they're all so gorgeous. And you know, it's literally just hiring these pretty, pretty, gorgeous little girls for the TV show and the drama, right?
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh, oh, oh my god. So I, one of my friends that I um used to work with way back in the day in the valley, um, when I worked at a like boutique, um, um children's shop. Um, we would sell like lacoste and stuff. But anyways, besides the point. So one of the girls, her name was Abby, or her name is Abby. She like, you know, I think she was like barely out of high school at that time. And then she got super into fitness and then moved to LA. She's not on the main cast, but she's a part of that real estate agency. And I would see her in the background of some of the episodes, like at the desk, like working and like actually doing the selling and not like the fake selling that the other ones are doing. Isn't that crazy?
Government Work Chaos And Time Zones
SPEAKER_00She's with the O group, the Oppahine group. That's amazing. Which oh my god, so funny about the fake selling. So uh our dear friend here, friend of the show, Renee, she was telling me, which I was a little like annoyed, not at Renee, but at the TikToks that I saw, because it's almost like never meet your heroes. Not that any of those girls are my heroes, but people started doing some digging and research, and apparently all of the real estate information is public record. And you can see that half the cast isn't even an actual real estate agent. And the ones that are, they're like not selling houses now. Now, arguably, like they did one thing where one of the main cast members of selling Sunset, her name is Chriselle, and they looked up her stats, and she's has sold like one house in over 12 months, only one house. So they're like, Well, however, the broker Jason has sold 34. So it's kind of inferring that they are doing the work, but just Jason is closing the deals, right? Right.
SPEAKER_02Like they can't get paid the commissions.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know what the deals are, but she actually is a licensed real estate agent, whereas some of the girls in the show are not licensed real estate agents and they're just brought in to essentially create drama. Right. Right, which uh it's good for us. I love it, but still frustrating.
SPEAKER_02But okay, that girl Chriselle, if that name just sounds so familiar, I believe she was on one of the traitor seasons.
SPEAKER_00Potentially. I know she's on Dancing with the Stars. I don't know if she was on Traiters.
SPEAKER_03I believe I would I would love to.
SPEAKER_00Producer Renee is unavailable today, unfortunately. I know. I wish she was, but we're gonna find out. You are correct. I typically am, but that's fine. Oh, wow. So she was on season three of the trade. Yes. Uh, was she the season with Dylan Efron? Because he's so handsome. Yes. Isn't he so handsome?
SPEAKER_02Yes. And that wasn't the one with Phaedra Parks, right? I think she's a good one.
SPEAKER_00No, Phaedra Parks was a couple of seasons prior. I think she was season two. Yeah, I believe so as well. She was fabulous.
SPEAKER_02I loved her. She did it so well.
SPEAKER_00She really, really was. Anyway, so after I finished binge watching the seasons of Selling Sunset, I switched over to Selling OC and I started it from season one. At that time, there were only three seasons out, so not much to catch up on. And there is this gorgeous, gorgeous guy who is uh he never said he was bisexual, but he did mention that he dates both women and men. So I would assume bisexual, whatever. Uh he's absolutely gorgeous. Well, I even recall saying like during the whole first season, he hadn't done anything as far as like even showing homes, right? And then the second season rolls around. I'm like, what has Sean been up to? Whatever. Fine. Well, at some point, they're all on the beach, they're all playing a game, they're doing whatever, they're like roasting each other, right? Um, for funsies. And Sean had made a joke about one of the other real estate agents whose father is a big mogul in the industry and made a joke implying that this guy is only successful because he's writing his father's coattails. Okay. Then they turned around, they came back at Sean, and they were like, Oh, well, talk your shit when you've sold a house, right? So that erupted a lot of drama. Once that drama happened, everybody turned on Sean. Fine, no big deal. We're all here for the show. However, what happened is when they started turning on on Sean, they started bringing up stories and things that were happening. Now there's this other.
SPEAKER_02And I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_00Tell me.
SPEAKER_02Was Sean the Nepo baby or the one who that one's the bisexual one?
SPEAKER_00Sean is a bisexual one who had not sold a single house. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, continue. Sorry.
Selling Sunset And The “Real” Real Estate
SPEAKER_00Okay, so they turned on Sean. That's fine. We're here for the drama. But when they decided to make or try to make Sean the villain of the show, one of the other agents or characters, if you want to call it, absolutely gorgeous, used to be a model, male model, right? Hunk, just drop dead gorgeous, started saying things about Sean and his lifestyle and how just a really weird guy, and it's kind of spreading a little bit of gossip, borderline rumors, and we talked about gossip and rumors recently, right? And things that weren't true. So Sean kind of fired back and was like, no, I went to his house, we had dinner, him and his wife were coming on to me. It felt awkward, and I I left, I left, right? And the thing is, Sean had not talked about this publicly, right? There was another situation with another one of the agents who's also gorgeous, and they had a really close friendship where the other agent was constantly hanging out with Sean, was over and over buying him drinks and gifts and surprises and hanging out with him. And even at one point in time, Sean was like, hey, this is like in he was thinking this is like quite a bit, you know, of the the way the way you're talking to me is maybe a little bit more than a friend. And these two guys, these other two guys, Sean and Austin, are, you know, heterosexuals by all rights and purposes. So when they all started attacking Sean and turned on Sean and started making up stuff, Sean tried to set the record state straight. And he tried to set the record straight even privately, like, hey, we don't need to discuss what really happened on camera. We don't need to discuss what really happened in front of everybody. If you really want to go there, we can go there. And Sean was pretty much like, no, you guys were coming on to me. And then now that it's public, you guys want to, you know, turn against me and disclaim all this bullshit. And I'm watching this and I'm losing my mind because I don't know if you've ever had this before, AJ, where if you have like a really close heterosexual friend, lines might get blurred and then everything's fine and dandy, but then all of a sudden, when that heterosexual guy realizes something is off, even though he's been a part of it, he wants to turn on you because he can't come to his own terms with his own sexuality or his own curiosities. Have you ever experienced that?
SPEAKER_02I mean, that was very um like like too precise and exact.
SPEAKER_00So I don't I don't think it's very precise. I I think this has happened multiple times. I mean, this has happened quite a bit. I know it's happened twice with me, which is why I'm even now really apprehensive to get close to to heterosexual guys.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so for me, I don't like hanging out with straight people. So I mean, wait, let me let me say the overtake. Like, okay, like I I there's a very clear, obvious line drawn out, and that border will not get passed um by either party because I don't allow it. I don't get I don't allow lines to get blurred. Um, because at the end of the day, am I am I sucking your dick or not? You know what I mean? Like the line is that drawn to where I'm there's not gonna be a maybe. It's gonna be like, well, am I? And then I end up doing it, and then we just like canoodle, you know what I mean? So so the line's not drawn at that point. I mean, the the line's not blurred at that point. It's like the line was crossed, so now we're fucking around.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, I I don't, I guess I I don't have that ability or the discipline to to draw that boundary because I have in the past. And let me get back to the Sean thing real quick. This happened with Sean. He laid it out, he showed the receipts, and then he had some receipts. A lot of it was his word against the other guy's word, but ultimately the way everything was played out, and keep in mind, I know things are edited, you know, for reality TV, but even then the way things played out, it's it was very, in my opinion, it seemed very obvious that the things that Sean said actually did happen, and these other guys are just trying to back away and kick through the curve. And the reason why I say that and why I was like getting so pissed off, and I was screaming at the TV like the heterosexual men do during football season, right? Um, it was wild. Is like I've had that in the past and it's it's really sucked. I've uh it's happened twice that I can really, really like remember it is this was years ago, but I was living back in El Paso. I had a coworker who I met, you know, pretty boy, heterosexual from small town, middle of nowhere, Midwest. And we became really good friends, really close, uh, to the point where I was sleeping over at his apartment multiple nights a week. He wouldn't want me to leave. We would hang out, breakfast, lunch, dinner, cooking, shopping, the whole, the whole thing, right? Uh then he like broke up with his girlfriend, his long distance girlfriend, and we got even closer. And it was just we, we, we, we vacationed together. And at one point in time, even my boss pulled us aside because we had it like we had a we had work phones um that you know had like tracking software on them.
SPEAKER_03My boss was like, Yeah, yeah, they're monitored.
SPEAKER_00They're not it's not like for like not micromanagement purposes, but they're just they're just monitored, right? And she's like, Hey, I notice you're spending a lot of time at so-and-so's with so-and-so, like, is there anything that I need to know about? And I'm like, No, right? Um, but ultimately they said we got really, really, really close. Um then I caught some feelings. Fine, whatever. And I told him, and he was like, fine by me, right? And that didn't change anything. We still stayed just as close as ever, if not more. Question go.
SPEAKER_02So, had y'all fucked around by this point?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_02Why are you shaking your head or nodding your head yes? Lies, lies, lies. May the record show, listeners, that Jay was nodding yes, but then said no. So I want the record to say and state that thank you. Continue.
SPEAKER_00Anyways, he You're a bitch. Anyways, he gets a little girlfriend. Cool. Somebody else works with us, they start, you know, and I talked, I'm like, hey, go do your thing with this girl. Like, go, don't worry about me, whatever. They do their thing, it gets serious, it doesn't use it, it goes back and forth. And then I kind of got kicked to the curb. Like, we went from being friends to absolutely nothing. I addressed it. He got pissed off, threw everything at me. You know, you're just gay, you're that. I want nothing to do with you. I never did. Everything they were just all everything you're saying is all in your head, it's all made up. And I really had like nothing, nothing to say to that because one, I wasn't gonna publicly put his information out there, so I couldn't talk to anybody else about it. And also, it was like, don't try to gaslight me. I mean, I I've I've been spending four nights a week at your house in your apartment. We like, what are you talking about? Now all of a sudden something happened, like you came to terms with something inside of you, and you're freaking out and you're taking it out on me, right? And it really, really, really, really sucked. And I put a big stop to it, pushed it aside. That was it. Um, resisted for me, and I was sex getting that close to straight men again for a long time until it happened again. Uh similarly, where also got close, got involved. But what's what I'm saying is these straight men who do these things, whether it's the curiosities or whatever it is, the second they realize, hey, you know, holy crap, this is something, they freak out, they get crazy, they talk shit about you, and they make you look very, or me, I should say, very, very, very bad. And there's really nothing I can do about it without being vindictive.
Selling OC: Sean, Gossip, And Receipts
SPEAKER_02So, right. And and then you're the bad guy, and you're you're the the F word for gay. Like, you know what I mean? So so for me, which also where the those those lines don't get blurred because publicly, like, I don't like if we hang out publicly, then that's the only way we're gonna hang out. If we hang out privately, we're only gonna hang out privately, or with like my friends to where it's gonna be like um like like my friends will know something and obviously not have an issue with it where he'd have to, you know, say whatever um to protect his manhood. Um and so have you learned your lesson yet? I don't know. Well, well then there you go.
SPEAKER_00Um what pisses me off is like I I think it's super fucked up that it is a lesson that I have to learn. You know what I mean? Like I'm not doing anything wrong, but it is just a fact of our life, of my life, our lifestyles.
SPEAKER_02See, that's well, that's where we're different, and that's where the the I will not allow the lines to get blurred because I know my situation. I know like your story is the oldest one in the book for us. Like it's it's like things could easily get misconstrued. And I for me, I'm hotter than them. So it's like they should feel so lucky, you know what I mean? So for me, I won't like if I have any kind of interest and I'm not I'm not going to like read into little things because it's like what I don't want to get my feelings hurt. One, and two, like if I start throwing my feelings that way, and like I could really throw some feelings a certain way, I it's because I'm very blunt and I don't beat around the bush, then I immediately get told, oh, um, like we're cool, but but I'm not like that. And then I'm like, ah, my bad. Like, I think you're really cool too. And then they're like, Yeah, no, you're really awesome, but that's it. And I'm like, okay, great. I suck really good dick though. But um Oh my god. Can we do like a little parental control before this event? Like we're gonna, but family and parents do not pay attention to this one, please.
SPEAKER_00It wouldn't be the first time I'd do that. No, but no, you're you're you're absolutely right. And it's just things like that that it really pisses me off. And then other thing as well is like I'm watching, I'm watching the show, and he had he had some friends that he had confided in, and then they kind of like turned their back or because they misremembered things, and that also had me screaming, screaming so much. It pissed me off because I I had a well, we're acquaintances up, but I had a really good friend here, and uh I was once again moving, I just moved here. Uh I was missing that tight-knit community. I know that you're not, I know you're not a fan of it, but I had that tight-knit community, uh, that friend group that I loved, all the drama included. I loved it, and I was craving any sense of community here, tight-knit or not, any sense of community. And the second I found someone, I latched on, and yeah, maybe came on a little too much, but that's neither here nor there. The point is I made a really good friend and I made him, I turned him into my confidant. I would tell him everything. And there was a guy that we both know who lives a heterosexual life that he and I ended up getting involved and purely physical only, and I confided in this friend. And I've told him some other stuff in the past that I've done. And fast forward through our friendship, Rocky or not, I don't know. But at one point in time, he had questioned me about it, and he would get some details wrong. So then I would be like, What? What are you talking about? And then we'd get all cleared out. Well, it pissed me off because a few months ago was actually during Pride. We're all out, we're doing some pre, it was like the Friday of Pride or Thursday of Pride. We're doing some pre-cocktails when all of our friends are flying into town that day. We all meet up, we have cocktails, and he brings up something and he was like, Oh yeah, like you know what what you did. We're gonna we're gonna use names, um, different names, right? And he was like, Oh yeah, with what you did with Josh. And I was like, Josh, like who's Josh? And then he goes, Oh, you know, the person you did XYZ with. And I was like, Huh? Huh? And then he goes, or maybe because it never happened. And I was like, What are you talking about? And then I realized, oh, you meant so-and-so. And I was like, wait a minute, you remember the details wrong of my story, and then now implying that I'm a fucking liar and are gonna have been treating me completely different because you can't get your details right of my story, right? And I was just like, and it's the same thing. So now like I get turned on. That's not that is the words I'm using, but that's not what I mean. Like you are turning, you are turning on me. There we go. You are turning on me because you can't remember, and that that's it was all that same shit happened in the selling OC season two and season three. And I'm just like, I felt so bad for this guy, Sean. By the way, he's absolutely gorgeous. You have to look him up. But I was just like, I identify. So then I spent three days like on the Reddit threads, on the podcasts, on all the forums, reading Sean versus Austin, who believes what? I was chat GPTing the histories and essentially the internet sides with Sean. Thank God. Because so do I. But that is the end of my selling OC, selling sunset, and selling city rant. But I do think you should start watching.
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SPEAKER_02Uh Sean Palmeri is super yes.
SPEAKER_00Oh God, he is absolutely gorgeous and super sweet, AJ. If you're just just watching the show, you can tell that he is just just really sweet, kind, genuine, well spoken, tried his best to stay out of the drama. And even before he was going to speak his truth, which was going to embarrass these straight men, he was like, I do not want to talk about this in front of people, and I do not want to talk about this publicly. Which is why I believed him. Because he's still at the end, even though he was getting dragged through the mud, he's like, I am still not going to bring you down. So love him. Absolutely gorgeous. He's no longer on the show. Obviously, uh, he's not present in season four, which was a bummer. I was really hoping he would be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it said that he left the Oppenheim group. Um, I think it's like two years ago. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00It was so sad. But hey, did you watch anything about BravoCon?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I've only been seeing like some minor clips about like some of the drama, but like what tell me like some good stuff that I need to like really look up or just catch me up on it.
SPEAKER_00I mean, the Housewives panels were great. Uh, one of my favorite podcasters, uh radio show host, uh, the Michelle Collins, she was asked to be a moderator. So she moderated about seven panels. She did some with uh like Heather Dubrow and a couple other girls from the Housewives OC. She was able to be the moderator for the panel of the Salt Lake City girls. She did a couple of the below deck panels, which is really odd because they brought a lot of below deck cast members back that even hadn't been on in years, but they brought her back back for Bravo Con. Vanderpump was there. One of the things that was strange is uh Brittany from Salt Lake City. I can't stand her. And well, I don't like her. You're right. No, I'm not gonna defend her. Yes, we can't stand her. And what's her Osman Johnny Donnie? No, Jared, Jared. Jared, right?
SPEAKER_02Jared.
SPEAKER_00Yes, so uh she was there. Uh Michelle Collins was able to interview her. Oh, well, casually, round under a couple times casually. And did you know that so many people were hating on Jared Osman? Like he was hating on him. He was getting booed and screamed at and everything because obviously the way he's depicted on the show. And he deserves every part of it. Yeah, absolutely. And another thing that Britney did so Brittany's brought her daughter. So apparently the relationship is is better, but she also brought Jared. Like she couldn't just do like a mommy-daughter trip for the weekend in Bravo Con. She also brought brought Jared. She cannot stand her. Jared. I know. I absolutely not. I cannot. Um Meredith Marks, apparently, in multiple interviews and multiple panels, she was just cold. But what what was that to expect? I mean, obviously, she was very cold. And I did hear this from many of the Bravo liberties, like the moderators and hosts and whatnot, uh say this about Angie Kay, as well as I had about five or six different uh acquaintances and friends of mine that actually went and bought tickets to go and they got to meet her. That Angie Kay is just a gem, that she's the exact same way she's on the show, just fun, kind, sweet, you know, just a hundred percent gem, a girl's girl, loves the fans, but real down to earth the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_02So I saw my friends were there too, and they took like several photos with like several of the Bravo Lebs. I did not realize um uh Heather Gay is so short and petite. She's I like I mean, she looks tall next to all of them, so that means they're all tiny, but like, or maybe it's her damn huge ass heel she's wearing, but like my friend is like my height, and she was like this to him. And he's like my height.
SPEAKER_00It's like the Kardashian thing. They everybody thinks Chloe is just like a gigantic person, but she's like 5'9. Her sisters are just incredibly tall.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm saying Heather is like 5'3.
SPEAKER_00Uh the internet is saying, oh, you even shorter.
SPEAKER_025'2.
SPEAKER_00Uh, we got some stuff here on the internet saying that she's five-ish. No, five, five-ish. Five five ish okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Maybe slightly taller than me then. Five five-ish.
SPEAKER_00And then let me see Chloe. Chloe Kardashian height. So Chloe Kardashian, okay, Chloe is tall for a woman. How tall do you think she is?
SPEAKER_02Um, I will say like, well, you said 5'9. So um, not including heels, I'm gonna say 5'8. She's 5'10. Oh shit, I was gonna go up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she's 5'10.
SPEAKER_02She's like an Amazon woman.
SPEAKER_00Well, really, or just compare to her siblings who are like 5'2.
SPEAKER_02Well, totally, but also I'm I'm 5'5. I'm sorry, five six.
SPEAKER_00Did you see the Kardashian episodes just dropped a couple days ago, if not to I don't know when, about the Bible?
SPEAKER_02No, what? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so somebody, some historian or somebody has a Bible that Robert Kardashian Sr., right, uh gave to OJ Simpson while he was in jail awaiting trial. And somebody had it, and Robert had wrote on the first page a long passage. I didn't read it, but it was written to OJ and it said, like, take care, I believe you. I don't know what it's I'm making shit up now. Uh signed um Robert Kardashian. All right. Well, somebody got it, it's up for auction, and Kim sought out to get it. She reached out to her people so they could buy it. The drama behind it is that it got leaked that she was trying to buy it, so therefore the price of the auction shot up, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Kim's like, I'm gonna get it one way or another. She tried to buy it, but legally she couldn't because the person already put it up for auction, so now you just can't sell it. Anyways, yes. Anyways, right, she got it. Cool. Chloe and she gives it to Chloe. And Chloe's like, oh my god, it's so cool. And Kim is like, yeah, I think you should have it because it belonged to one of your fathers, referring to either OJ Simpson or Robert Kardashian.
SPEAKER_01And then Chloe, Chloe, and Kim joke about this right in front of Chris?
SPEAKER_00Jenner? Thank you. I wasn't pausing for dramatic effect, I was pausing.
SPEAKER_01I couldn't remember her name. I was like, um.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so then they're for the first time ever, they're addressing and making light of the paternity uh concerns.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, there's been prior prior episodes where I know that they um uh do kind of like where she was so hard about it and because of all the rumors and everything, and and they did kind of like lightly joke in it, but she was still very sensitive about it. So I'm glad to see that she's like over it now or not over it, but like able to joke about it. Um but also but also clearly um Chris Jenner likes chocolate men because of her current person that she's Corey, that's right.
SPEAKER_00That's right. And they're also calling a lot of their the last episode I watched of last week's episode, they did a little montage of how Chris Jenner can be. I mean, we expected it where she can be a little rude to her staff, right? And Chloe's been calling her out on it for years, but they did a montage where they put all the clips, well, you know what a montage is, of all the times where she's been rude and yelling and cussing out staff. Which is just yes. But Chloe tries to call her out whenever she can. Chloe's a the realist one though.
SPEAKER_02No, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Uh oh, hush. Don't say, don't even say it. Don't say corny.
SPEAKER_02No, I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02No, I said yeah, no, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Oh, thank God.
SPEAKER_02What do you think I said?
SPEAKER_00I thought you were disagreeing with me about Chloe being the realist one.
SPEAKER_02I mean, and now I'm about to end the show. It's obviously Kylie Jenner. Imagine just uh no, but okay. So with with the whole like um Kardashian, did you see their new um show on Hulu um where she's like um Chris and and uh Kim are executive producers? It's called All's Fair. I've only seen three episodes.
SPEAKER_00That's all you needed to see.
SPEAKER_02But yes, no, because I saw all the other powerhouse names that were in it Naomi Wants, and then there was um Nene Nash and then or Nisi Nash, and then there was Glenn Close, and then of course Sarah Paulson. I was like, oh my god, this looks delicious. And then I was just like Ryan Murphy show. Exactly. That's what I was like, okay, I'm down. But I tried watching it and I just I couldn't well I got the insets in, so I could, but I mean, I mean it's entertaining, it's campy, it's entertaining, it's glitz and glamour.
SPEAKER_00We love it, right? Right, right. But I can't I can't help, but I look at this and I don't know if I'm being overly critical because it's Kim K, or if I'm just, or I just have two eyes. And I'm like, your acting is not good. And I feel I almost feel bad because the majority of Ryan Murphy's uh productions are hits, even if it goes to a niche market, they're still hits. And then you have to go, go, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm saying even though majority of the people may not like it, there's still a hell of a lot more people who do. So I think it's still gonna be something. Now, will there be a season two? I hope not, but I think this one is gonna have its ratings um because of the names behind it. But but the acting is terrible on the majority of the characters' parts, and I think I think I don't think it's written that well, but even like the cameos that they've gotten in the episodes that I was able to that I did see, I was like, okay, come on, Jesse Spano jumping off the ledge.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so I did you see that episode? I did, I absolutely did. And I had a question, I was looking it up. That wasn't Jessica Simpson that was the acted.
SPEAKER_02Yes, that was her.
SPEAKER_00She looks so I I thought it was her. So then I went and looked online for Jessica Simpson, what she's in, and she doesn't on on Jessica Simpson's pages, she doesn't have a profile for it. Um but, anyways, I I think I disagree with you because I think the acting is great, and I almost feel bad for Glenn, Sarah, and Nisi, because I feel like they could have had a chance at having a season two if it weren't for Kim Kardashian. And I kind of feel that they're getting dragged down a little bit because of that. Now I'm looking at Jessica Simpson right now, and now it's there. Now it is showing all spare. It did not when I was looking at it a couple days ago. I swear. Of course. I swear.
SPEAKER_02No, I believe you so much. She's not looking great. Or was it just like makeup for like the words?
SPEAKER_00I really hope it was just makeup. Glenn Carl.
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SPEAKER_02I'm trying to look like at current images, and I think that she may have done like some kind of makeup because remember, her character in that. Um, in all's fair, she's supposed to have like a lot of plastic surgery that was kind of botched, and she like the rock star husband that she was divorcing was like crazy or whatever. But like, let me see. Let me click on this image here. What year is this one? This is from page six of October 17th, uh, 2025. So a month ago, and she looks fine. She looks, I mean, she's had some work done. But um, she does not look as terrible as she did in the the show. So I think that obviously is um some of her work that she's had done, but also clearly um um like but bad makeup also to purposely make her look even worse.
SPEAKER_00Good. Thank God. I also and who's the other big uh big name in there is uh Tiana Taylor, I think is her name. Oh, yeah, I don't I don't like her.
SPEAKER_02The character or her?
SPEAKER_00The care the the actress. I especially saw her in Straw, which was an amazing movie. Did you watch it? Mm-mm. What's that one about? Oh, it is a cry. Straw. It's uh it's a movie about the the woman who has a really terrible, a terrible day. Uh uh, what's her name? Taraji P. Henson is the lead in it. She has a daughter who actually ends up being dead, but she doesn't she has a psychotic break, doesn't know that her daughter died. She's like inadvertently robbing a bank. It's this big drama, it's massive emotional tearjerker. And Tiana Taylor plays a police officer or detective in it, and she I think she overacts. She she she's an overactor. Um, not if any it it gives uh what is her name? I love her a lot. Uh Angela Bassett. It's giving Angela Bassett style of acting.
SPEAKER_02Angela Bassett isn't an overactor.
SPEAKER_00She's like a very good I think she's an overactor as well. It's entertaining, but it it's campy. I think it's very campy. What? At least for a TV show 911. Am I talking about?
SPEAKER_02What character for Angela Bassett?
SPEAKER_00Like it's her character in the TV show 911. It's been an ongoing drama for quite a few years now. She plays a police officer in it, and it is just it is so, it is so campy. Yeah. Watch it and report back to me.
SPEAKER_02Okay, maybe we'll see about that.
SPEAKER_00Um, okay, AJ, so tell me. You got through Halloween and all the festivities with that. What do you have lined up for next week?
SPEAKER_02So, okay, so for Thanksgiving week, um, I'm gonna stay local. I'm not gonna do too, too much. Um, I do have obviously Thanksgiving Day, Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. So um I could have gone down, but I just don't want to drive. And my and my mom's leaving um early Wednesday, and I have to work Wednesday until like three, so I'm not gonna make them um wait for me to do that. So um I'm actually meeting with her on Sunday um before sundown social. We're gonna have a lunch, and then um um I'll get a lot of food to go because I'm not gonna eat that much to before I go out. Um, but um so so I'm gonna go over there. Um, and then um I it's gonna be Blackout Wednesday, apparently is the thing. I didn't know that's what it was called, but where everyone goes out the Wednesday before. Um, and I have um I need a network, obviously. So I'm gonna go to Warehouse Wednesday um with my friend DJ Vitamin A. And um Sundown Social is actually having um a very similar event over at River Northeist House. So um that will be Wednesday, and then um I'm gonna go hang out with my other friends with the twins and spend Thanksgiving there with them and their family. Um and then I don't know, and then I I and then like a normal like weekend, I guess, like Friday, Saturday, and then Sunday or whatever, do like the normal things. Um but yeah, why? What are you doing?
SPEAKER_00I love that for you. I'm taking a lot of time off. Uh, I think it's well deserved at the crazy last 10 days that I believe. So I'll be taking all of next week off. I do have a couple of, I can't decide if I'm gonna get a tux or a suit. I have, and I need to I need to buy a suit, but I think I'm gonna rent one for now. Um, or a tux. I I have a gala to go to for my work that I need to get uh fitted for. And then I also have an event at the French embassy um the week after next. So I gotta get another suit or a tux for that, depending on the dress code. So I have two fittings next week, uh, one on Monday and then one on Wednesday. Uh I'll be doing some Thanksgiving, some Friendsgivings and Thanksgivings, and then it is crunch time. I am moving the very next week. So I'm pretty excited about that.
SPEAKER_02That's very exciting for you. Um but galas are usually like super posh. So I would recommend a Tux or a very nice suit. Um, or you could also do that, like um, it's not rent the runway. There's like a male version of it where you could get like a very nice Hugo Boss suit renting purposes so that way you look really sharp. I would just do a like as long as it's a bow tie, then you could wear a very nice suit, but as long as it's like a bow tie or whatever, and then just like a little um uh lapel pin or like a um like a um a pocket square, um, just to like you know give it that pop that it needs so that we are not just a basic penguin like the other people.
SPEAKER_00No, I'll I'll have to send you photos and I'm at my fittings. So there's this place here in Chinatown. Um it's a few blocks from me, and it's like where all the people go to rent or buy their suits for tuxes. Um, I only heard about it because my coworkers and colleagues have gone. Uh, but I'm gonna go check it out and they have all the brand names, which is why I think I'm going to rent at first. Um but they'll fit it, they'll tailor it and fit it to me, whether it's a suit or a tux. So I am trying to show out a little bit. I didn't go to last year's gala, uh, but I am I got uh tickets to this year's gala, so I'm super excited for that. And then this is my first time at the French embassy, so I'm pretty excited about that as well. And I gotta show out there also.
SPEAKER_02So that'd be a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00My duo, my dual leap, uh my my duolingo is gonna pay off.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it will. Um just je m'appelle and um you would well, it's just we don't have to say it twice in a row. Um you you uh you could say um you could order ice cream, je voudrais une glace du chocolat, which is um chocolate ice cream.
SPEAKER_00Well, I really hope they have chocolate ice cream to offer.
SPEAKER_02I mean you'd be happy though, too.
BravoCon Highlights And Housewives Tea
SPEAKER_00So no, I'm super excited about it. It's an orchestra and wine event, and uh, I'm just looking forward to networking and meeting some other people with like-minded interests and stuff. So it should be a lot of fun. Yeah, I got myself on on the list there. Um, and no, you're not gonna cancel it for me this time. So we'll see why we'll be um with all the French that you know. So um no, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty excited about it, and that's gonna be coming up for me personally next week. Um, and then in a couple of weeks, I might have a big topic to talk about where I am considering switching religions officially. But, anyways, that's all I have for tonight.
SPEAKER_02Um well, cool. I um I, you know, I happy Thanksgiving. We'll catch up again soon. Um I need, I probably need access to your calendar so that way I could see how booked you are, so that way I could just slide things in on your available dates for um where you're producing my other podcast, FYI.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I can definitely share my calendar with you. You know how many people have my calendar.
SPEAKER_01It is and I love it.
SPEAKER_02So now I expect like full access the same way that I had before.
SPEAKER_00You're outside your mind, but I love it. I love it. I will be ending this podcast. I'll be giving you access to my calendar. Don't make fun of my D appointments, it's gonna be so much fun. And um, AJ, this has been a pleasure, as per usual. AJ, where can they find you?
SPEAKER_02They could find me on Instagram at AJ the Silverfox. And um uh I'm friends with the DJ podcast. And um, imagine just getting and I was like, oh my god, of course.
SPEAKER_00And they could find you where? You can find me on Instagram at BJ Allday, you can find me on TikTok at the Morally Corrupt J David. Yes, yes, and also follow us here at Dosa Delusion. Everyone, thank you so much for tuning in to our nonsense. Can't wait to see you guys in a week or so. Take care now. Bye bye.
SPEAKER_02Bye.
